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		<title>Comment on Residents meet Environment Minister to discuss City Airport by Steven davis</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/runway-extension/residents-meet-environment-minister-to-discuss-city-airport/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To right its an airport get ova it. It would boost northern ireland eco. I live right under flight path and most of the times dont hear a thing.  People just love to complain about somthin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To right its an airport get ova it. It would boost northern ireland eco. I live right under flight path and most of the times dont hear a thing.  People just love to complain about somthin!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents celebrate legal victory over City Airport planning agreement by BCAW</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-celebrate-legal-victory-over-city-airport-planning-agreement/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>BCAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, the facts about noise pollution don&#039;t lie - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/noise/george-best-belfast-city-airport-and-noise-the-facts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;read them here&lt;/a&gt;. This is not about people just wanting to complain - this is about a serious issue threatening the well-being of tens of thousands of people.

Also, planes generally take off at the same height, regardless of runway length. That height is, of course, ground level. That&#039;s where all flights start, you see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, the facts about noise pollution don&#8217;t lie &#8211; <a href="http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/noise/george-best-belfast-city-airport-and-noise-the-facts/" rel="nofollow">read them here</a>. This is not about people just wanting to complain &#8211; this is about a serious issue threatening the well-being of tens of thousands of people.</p>
<p>Also, planes generally take off at the same height, regardless of runway length. That height is, of course, ground level. That&#8217;s where all flights start, you see.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents celebrate legal victory over City Airport planning agreement by Steven davis</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-celebrate-legal-victory-over-city-airport-planning-agreement/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets get straight to the point uses just want somthing to complain about.  People dont realise that if u extended to runway the planes will be higher at takeoff which will mean less noise. Also i dont think people realise the affect on peoples jobs that they are causing at the airport. After ryanair leaveing no other airline has been able to sell seats at the same prices as ryanair which means a drop in numbers which as a knock on affect to business and peoples jobs. All they are askin for is 500m  is not like they are knocking down towns to build new terminals like heathrow t5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets get straight to the point uses just want somthing to complain about.  People dont realise that if u extended to runway the planes will be higher at takeoff which will mean less noise. Also i dont think people realise the affect on peoples jobs that they are causing at the airport. After ryanair leaveing no other airline has been able to sell seats at the same prices as ryanair which means a drop in numbers which as a knock on affect to business and peoples jobs. All they are askin for is 500m  is not like they are knocking down towns to build new terminals like heathrow t5</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aviation Strategy by Stephen McKeown</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/aviation-strategy/aviation-strategy/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen McKeown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 21:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I come home from nightshifts getting really tired of the noise I have to put up with every morning this place needs to be closed fullstop never mind extentions its a health safety hazard.The airport I hear is in the process of trying to attract airlines such as Aerligus down from Aldergrove so more noise keep the good work up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I come home from nightshifts getting really tired of the noise I have to put up with every morning this place needs to be closed fullstop never mind extentions its a health safety hazard.The airport I hear is in the process of trying to attract airlines such as Aerligus down from Aldergrove so more noise keep the good work up</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents meet Environment Minister to discuss City Airport by Raymond Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/runway-extension/residents-meet-environment-minister-to-discuss-city-airport/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep have read them ??? Its an Airport !! Aircraft make noise ...... Fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep have read them ??? Its an Airport !! Aircraft make noise &#8230;&#8230; Fact.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents meet Environment Minister to discuss City Airport by BCAW</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/runway-extension/residents-meet-environment-minister-to-discuss-city-airport/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>BCAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond, you might want to make yourself aware of the facts - not opinion or hyperbole, but actual facts - about the city airport: http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/noise/george-best-belfast-city-airport-and-noise-the-facts/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond, you might want to make yourself aware of the facts &#8211; not opinion or hyperbole, but actual facts &#8211; about the city airport: <a href="http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/noise/george-best-belfast-city-airport-and-noise-the-facts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/noise/george-best-belfast-city-airport-and-noise-the-facts/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents meet Environment Minister to discuss City Airport by Raymond Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/runway-extension/residents-meet-environment-minister-to-discuss-city-airport/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a FEW business travellers vs TENS OF THOUSANDS of local residents ??? I think you may be both underestimating and exagerating in the same sentance to make a point. Poor form and gives very little weight to your cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a FEW business travellers vs TENS OF THOUSANDS of local residents ??? I think you may be both underestimating and exagerating in the same sentance to make a point. Poor form and gives very little weight to your cause.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents meet Environment Minister to discuss City Airport by BCAW</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/runway-extension/residents-meet-environment-minister-to-discuss-city-airport/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>BCAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 12:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes because the comfort of a few business travellers is totally worth the disastrous environmental and health impact it&#039;ll have on tens of thousands of local residents. [/sarcasm]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes because the comfort of a few business travellers is totally worth the disastrous environmental and health impact it&#8217;ll have on tens of thousands of local residents. [/sarcasm]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents meet Environment Minister to discuss City Airport by Raymond Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/runway-extension/residents-meet-environment-minister-to-discuss-city-airport/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 12:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets hope the Minister sees sense so we can move towards getting the runway extended ASAP !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets hope the Minister sees sense so we can move towards getting the runway extended ASAP !!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents celebrate legal victory over City Airport planning agreement by ANOther</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-celebrate-legal-victory-over-city-airport-planning-agreement/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>ANOther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t post engine ratings; I posted aircraft ratings - direct from an ICAO report on aircraft noise ratings. If you note, I distinguished between different types of engine on the same aircraft. 

There is much more to noise than isolated engines. 

However, runway length does not play a role in community aircraft noise. None whatsoever.

An aircraft has a set rotation speed (when it lifts off the runway), its fixed, either your runway is long enough to safely attain it, or it is not. You could make the argument that the aircraft would be at a higher throttle setting while on the runway to accelerate to this rotation speed, but that does not impact community noise in any significant way (in fact, the difference would be barely measurable at the airport boundary fence).

Post rotation off the runway, the aircraft can (and for city airport, will) employ throttle cut-back procedures to reduce noise; but that is completely independent of runway length.

You folks need to focus your energies in the right direction. For instance, instead of focussing on passenger transits, which is actually quite detached from the problem, you should be focussing on aircraft transits, the maximum allowable noise of each of those transits and the time of day of each of those transits.

So, if you allowed the bigger runway, and simultaneously limited the number of flights, determined the aircraft that are allowed to use the airport on a noise basis and fixed the allowable noise at different times of day, everyone would win. The airport could put through more passengers, there would be less flights, and each flight would be quieter.

I do appreciate aircraft noise is a problem, its a massive problem - but you guys really need to help yourselves by aiming in the right direction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t post engine ratings; I posted aircraft ratings &#8211; direct from an ICAO report on aircraft noise ratings. If you note, I distinguished between different types of engine on the same aircraft. </p>
<p>There is much more to noise than isolated engines. </p>
<p>However, runway length does not play a role in community aircraft noise. None whatsoever.</p>
<p>An aircraft has a set rotation speed (when it lifts off the runway), its fixed, either your runway is long enough to safely attain it, or it is not. You could make the argument that the aircraft would be at a higher throttle setting while on the runway to accelerate to this rotation speed, but that does not impact community noise in any significant way (in fact, the difference would be barely measurable at the airport boundary fence).</p>
<p>Post rotation off the runway, the aircraft can (and for city airport, will) employ throttle cut-back procedures to reduce noise; but that is completely independent of runway length.</p>
<p>You folks need to focus your energies in the right direction. For instance, instead of focussing on passenger transits, which is actually quite detached from the problem, you should be focussing on aircraft transits, the maximum allowable noise of each of those transits and the time of day of each of those transits.</p>
<p>So, if you allowed the bigger runway, and simultaneously limited the number of flights, determined the aircraft that are allowed to use the airport on a noise basis and fixed the allowable noise at different times of day, everyone would win. The airport could put through more passengers, there would be less flights, and each flight would be quieter.</p>
<p>I do appreciate aircraft noise is a problem, its a massive problem &#8211; but you guys really need to help yourselves by aiming in the right direction!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents celebrate legal victory over City Airport planning agreement by BCAW</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-celebrate-legal-victory-over-city-airport-planning-agreement/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>BCAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t delete genuine comments here, though we generally distrust anonymous comments like yours.

Also there&#039;s more to noise than engine ratings. Runway length - or lack thereof in the case of he City airport - plays a big role in how hard those engines have to work, and thus how noisy they are. It&#039;s too easy to hide behind manufacturer specs which fail to tell the real story of how aircraft noise affects people&#039;s lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t delete genuine comments here, though we generally distrust anonymous comments like yours.</p>
<p>Also there&#8217;s more to noise than engine ratings. Runway length &#8211; or lack thereof in the case of he City airport &#8211; plays a big role in how hard those engines have to work, and thus how noisy they are. It&#8217;s too easy to hide behind manufacturer specs which fail to tell the real story of how aircraft noise affects people&#8217;s lives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents celebrate legal victory over City Airport planning agreement by ANOther</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-celebrate-legal-victory-over-city-airport-planning-agreement/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>ANOther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You folks realise that the concept of a larger plane being a noisier plane is a complete fallacy?

Taking the Ryanair 737-800 (~160 seats) as a reference point for comparison, it is rated at R4 relative to the ICAO Chapter 3 noise standard (that is, 10 EPNdB below the standard).

Now compare that to a number of other aircraft:
A321 (~200 seats) - R4 rated
A330 (~290 seats) - R4 rated for Pratt &amp; Whitney engines, R5 (that is 15 or more EPNdB below the ICAO Chpt 3 standard) for all Rolls Royce engines
Boeing 777 (~425 seats) - R4 for all Rolls-Royce engines, R5 for Pratt &amp; Whitney and General Electric.


So, in summary, if you allowed more passenger transits, you&#039;d probably have larger, quieter planes flying less flights.


I expect this post to be deleted as all too often these well meaning campaigns end up being run on perception, rather than on reality. Reality is then denied as it would undermine the whole campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You folks realise that the concept of a larger plane being a noisier plane is a complete fallacy?</p>
<p>Taking the Ryanair 737-800 (~160 seats) as a reference point for comparison, it is rated at R4 relative to the ICAO Chapter 3 noise standard (that is, 10 EPNdB below the standard).</p>
<p>Now compare that to a number of other aircraft:<br />
A321 (~200 seats) &#8211; R4 rated<br />
A330 (~290 seats) &#8211; R4 rated for Pratt &amp; Whitney engines, R5 (that is 15 or more EPNdB below the ICAO Chpt 3 standard) for all Rolls Royce engines<br />
Boeing 777 (~425 seats) &#8211; R4 for all Rolls-Royce engines, R5 for Pratt &amp; Whitney and General Electric.</p>
<p>So, in summary, if you allowed more passenger transits, you&#8217;d probably have larger, quieter planes flying less flights.</p>
<p>I expect this post to be deleted as all too often these well meaning campaigns end up being run on perception, rather than on reality. Reality is then denied as it would undermine the whole campaign.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents celebrate legal victory over City Airport planning agreement by Fiona McKinley</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-celebrate-legal-victory-over-city-airport-planning-agreement/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona McKinley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done to all the people who have worked on this campaign! Could this court ruling mean that the plans which the airport has to allow bmibaby to expand the number of routes next year will be abandoned - I certainly hope so - the planes which bmibaby brought down when they moved from the International Airport recently should be sent back up there - they are far too big and loud to be allowed to take off and come in to land over such heavily populated areas as east and south Belfast.

Congratulations on giving us &#039;little people&#039; a little hope that we can stand up for our quality of life - and win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done to all the people who have worked on this campaign! Could this court ruling mean that the plans which the airport has to allow bmibaby to expand the number of routes next year will be abandoned &#8211; I certainly hope so &#8211; the planes which bmibaby brought down when they moved from the International Airport recently should be sent back up there &#8211; they are far too big and loud to be allowed to take off and come in to land over such heavily populated areas as east and south Belfast.</p>
<p>Congratulations on giving us &#8216;little people&#8217; a little hope that we can stand up for our quality of life &#8211; and win!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents welcome concession of airport court case but cautious about inquiry move by BCAW</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-welcome-concession-of-airport-court-case-but-cautious-about-inquiry-move/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>BCAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi jcobban, I presume you&#039;re the same &#039;jcobban&#039; that is so active in the comments on the Belfast Telegraph site about all things relating to the City airport? I can only assume you must be in some way connected to the airport - perhaps you&#039;re an employee?

It&#039;s easy to make stats up, and it&#039;s even easier to comment without doing any research. Belfast City Airport Watch estimates that over 40,000 Belfast and Holywood residents are affected by aircraft noise. That estimate is the result of a public survey and similar extrapolation techniques as used in election polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi jcobban, I presume you&#8217;re the same &#8216;jcobban&#8217; that is so active in the comments on the Belfast Telegraph site about all things relating to the City airport? I can only assume you must be in some way connected to the airport &#8211; perhaps you&#8217;re an employee?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to make stats up, and it&#8217;s even easier to comment without doing any research. Belfast City Airport Watch estimates that over 40,000 Belfast and Holywood residents are affected by aircraft noise. That estimate is the result of a public survey and similar extrapolation techniques as used in election polls.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Controversial planning document could pave way for runway extension by jcobban</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/controversial-planning-document-could-pave-way-for-runway-extension/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>jcobban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, how many times have you used the airport this year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, how many times have you used the airport this year?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents welcome concession of airport court case but cautious about inquiry move by jcobban</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-welcome-concession-of-airport-court-case-but-cautious-about-inquiry-move/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>jcobban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tens of thousands. Did you count them all or just guess? Its easy to make stats up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tens of thousands. Did you count them all or just guess? Its easy to make stats up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents welcome concession of airport court case but cautious about inquiry move by BCAW</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-welcome-concession-of-airport-court-case-but-cautious-about-inquiry-move/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>BCAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some would say that fighting for an improved quality of life for tens of thousands of residents is using money &#039;for good&#039;. But you are of course fully entitled to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some would say that fighting for an improved quality of life for tens of thousands of residents is using money &#8216;for good&#8217;. But you are of course fully entitled to disagree.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Residents welcome concession of airport court case but cautious about inquiry move by jcobban</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-welcome-concession-of-airport-court-case-but-cautious-about-inquiry-move/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>jcobban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More money wasted by BCAW that could be used for good. STOP BCAW wasting our money</description>
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		<title>Comment on Residents welcome concession of airport court case but cautious about inquiry move by jcobban</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/residents-welcome-concession-of-airport-court-case-but-cautious-about-inquiry-move/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>jcobban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More wasted money thanks to Belfast City Airport Watch.
This is a waste of time. You dont worry about Aerlingus and Easyjet flights over the city during the night makng noise that wakes people up HAPPY FLIGHTING!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More wasted money thanks to Belfast City Airport Watch.<br />
This is a waste of time. You dont worry about Aerlingus and Easyjet flights over the city during the night makng noise that wakes people up HAPPY FLIGHTING!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Airport campaigners welcome withdrawal of &#8216;developers charter&#8217; by Raymond Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk/latest-news/airport-campaigners-welcome-withdrawal-of-developers-charter/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fed up with those planes ???? Don&#039;t live near an airport !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fed up with those planes ???? Don&#8217;t live near an airport !</p>
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